Had some friends up recently that did real good on perch. They did not catch as many "toads" as they did last year, but still a very nice average size for eating. Lots of 9-10 inchers. Anyway, they caught them in only 5 feet of water. Could not get a bite with a minnow on a plain hook. Had to use a real small jig and minnow and also keep it with-in 6 inches of the bottom, or they would not bite. Good luck on the water folks...